Thanks to the lawyers and the media, this is the conversation I had recently in my practice –
Patient: My mother has been seeing lawyers’ ads on TV about Yaz, and says I should stop taking it. I don’t want to get a blood clot.
Me: Are you experiencing any problems on the Yaz?
Patient: No.
Me: Is there a particular reason why you are taking Yaz vs another pill? (Looking through EMR) I think you had tried another pill and didn’t like how you felt, and wanted to try Yaz, correct?
Patient: Right. My room mate was on it and liked it. But now she’s worried too.
Me: So – let’s run the numbers, shall we?
Patient: OK.
Me: With some variation depending on which study you look at, the background annual risk for blood clots is around 3 per 10,000.
Patient: (nods) OK.
Me:According to one study, women who took Yasmin had a clot risk of about 8 per 10,000. We can probably assume the risk with Yaz is about 20% lower than Yasmin, since the estrogen dose is lower, so let’s call your risk 7 per 10,000. That’s a bit less than a tenth of a percent.
Patient: OK.
Me: Now, if that risk concerns you, we could change you to an older pill containing levonorgestrel. In that same study, women who took that pill had a risk of about 5 per 10,000.
Patient: (silence)
Me: But wait – You’ve been on Yaz for what, three years?
Patient: Four
Me: Okay, then, four. Now the biggest risk for blood clots is in the first year of pill use, so you’ve already established yourself as lower risk. That would lower your risk to around 3 per 10,000. But if we change your pill, your risk will be about 2 per 10,000. So I guess the question is, is the excess annual risk of 1 per 10,000 , or one hundreth of a percent, enough to make you want to change your pill?
Patient: I’m just worried…
Me: Well, you could change to a progesterone only pill, or POP. That has no increased clot risk over the background rate. However, it does have about a 2% higher chance of pregnancy, and is more likely to fail if you miss a pill than the pills containing estrogen. So you need to be pretty perfect taking a progesterone only pill.
In addition, your acne was better on the combination pills – I can’t guarantee it will stay that way on the POP, but we can try. You can always go back. Most patients are pretty happy on POP’s.
Patient: I don’t think I want a POP.
Me: Do you want to go back onto condoms? or be fitted for a diaphragm?
Patient: No way! And I don’t want an IUD.
Me: So what shall we do?
Patient: What do you think I should do? I’m just worried…
Me: Okay, let’s change you to a pill containing one of the older progestins and see how your acne is. It’ll probably be just as good. But if you’re not happy, we’ll change you back.
Patient: (brightens) I like that. My mom will be happy.
Bottom Line
All estrogen containing birth control pills have a small but real increase in blood clot risks. How that risk compares between different pills is complicated, depends on which study you read, and none of the studies are perfect or definitive. In fact, the FDA has yet to make a distinction between standard dose pills (20-35 micrograms) based on clot risk, because the data are so problematic.
Meta-anlayses suggest that pills containing the older progestins such as levonorgestrel and norethindrone have lower clot risks than those containing new progestins gestodene, desogestrel and drosperinone. All of these studies to date have problems, but the data appear to be consistent across analyses. Few of the studies have included norgestimate, but those that have place its clot risk nearer to the older than the newer progestins.
Researchers are now looking at APC resistance as a surrogate marker of clot risk to help us better differentiate pills from one another, but this approach has not been universally accepted.
How to use this information clinically?
We really have no randomized trial data to inform contraceptive choice when it comes to clot risks. All of the studies published to data are problematic in that they do not consistently control for prescribing and diagnostic bias, and varying doses of estrogen between pills, another factor that strongly influences clot risks.
For most women, the choice between pills is made based on factors such as cost, convenience, cycle preferences, side effects and how you feel on one pill versus another. And advertising. At the moment, Yaz is the biggest selling pill, probably due to a large DTC campaign when it first came out. (Bayer rightly got slapped by the FDA for over-hyping Yaz’s benefits in that campaign.)
If clot risks is your primary concern, there are non-estrogen methods you can use instead – Depo Provera, the IUD, condoms, Diaphragm and implanon. (But even some of these carry clot risk on the package insert, despite clinical trial data to support it.)
The bottom line is that no matter which combination birth control pill you use, you will have to accept a small increase in risks of clots.
What can you do to lower your risk of clots?
Since plane travel and long car rides can increase blood clot risks in anyone, consider wearing knee high travel socks for long plane flights and car rides. Ask for an aisle seat, stay hydrated and move about the plane frequently to avoid clotting. (You can more on avoiding clot risk from plane travel from the CDC.)
If you are at increased risk for clots, you should avoid all the estrogen-containing pills, no matter what dose or brand.
And by the way, the risk for a blood clot in pregnancy is 1 in every 500-2000 pregnancies. So it’s pretty much always safer to take a birth control pill than to be pregnant.
[…] This post was mentioned on Twitter by rlbates, Margaret Polaneczky. Margaret Polaneczky said: Clotting Up Office Hours with Talk about Clots: Thanks to the media and the lawyers, this is the conversation I … http://bit.ly/gcwkkv […]
Great write-up! Sadly does a great job of highlighting innumeracy.
Would love an NNT/NNH writeup for us if you’re interested!
Graham –
Thanks!
? NNT/NNH writeup? Not sure what that is….
Peggy
I wonder if your patient consults with her mother over the sex acts she has with her partners too. We woudn’t want her to worry now would we?
I am all for having a relationship with your parents that includes some details of your personal health, but come on. People need to grow up sometime.
Glad to see that Pharma marketing continues to work its magic in your practice. You need to get feedback to the Yaz rep (because I know how much time you give to reps!) that you need a handout sheet that describes the risk of Yaz, so that the patient can believe that, and not the math. You know the masses would believe it since it is written up and on nice, glossy paper with colors and everything! It is even more credible if it highlights problems with the competitors’ products – especially if you can make it seem likely you will die. Always a marketing favorite! Death sells as well as sex. This one has both. Awesome.
Obviously she just wants to be able to show her mother that she has talked to her doctor and all is good now. She isn’t worried past the point that she is willing to give up the convenience of the pill. No condoms, IUD or Diaphram? OK, but then face the facts that when you ingest hormones that prevent pregnancy, that you open yourself to more risk, even if that risk is pretty darn low. All part of being an actual grown-up.
What risk factor does she consider acceptable, and what drug (or combination therein) works for her? Oh, she doesn’t understand or hasn’t done the work to figure it out? Oh, my bad…I thought it was HER body!
Do you find yourself impatient or frustrated with a patient like this? I think I would if I were a doc. I wouldn’t want to tell her what to take either, and would want to eleviate her concerns for sure, but you KNOW that she is back in Yaz in three months.
Schrugglin’- HAHAHAHA! Your comment had me cracking up 🙂 I agree, I would be very frustrated with a patient like this.
In response to the conversation… “What should we do?” Tubal ligation! Please, for the love of all that is good in this world just close them up so I don’t have to think about all the options I don’t like but have to do because I don’t want children.
Probably not the answer for this patient as I suspect she’ll one day want to be a mom so I guess we’re back to square one (or as Schrugglin’ said, “Yaz in 3 months” 🙂
Schrugglin –
I’m not frustrated with this patient at all – I am frustrated with the lawyers that use simplistic messages to frighten women or sell papers. What can we expect her response to be after seeing the ads that lawyers are placing on TV? I’d be scared too if I were her. My job is to try to counterbalance the hype with meaningful data to inform her choice.
Laura –
Tubal ligation also carries risks. Oy. Unfortunately, nothing in life is risk free, including pregnancy. It’s a matter of balancing risks and benefits for a given woman. Thanks for reading!
This is why I heart you, Peggy! If you weren’t a 4 hour train ride from me you’d be my GYN.
[…] quote myself – All estrogen containing contraceptives increase clot risks. At this point, the FDA does not […]
[…] Clotting up Office Hours with talk of clots […]
[…] Clotting up Office Hours with Talk About Clots […]